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	<title>Comments on: Matt Neuburg&#8217;s review of OmniFocus</title>
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	<description>The Omni Mouth: standing outside your bedroom window playing \"In Your Eyes\" since 2006.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64910</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment in the review of the application that most resonated with me is one you fail to address.  Where is a calendar interface, and/or a way to sync items with due dates to iCal's calendar rather than iCal's tasks, so one can better visualize when a bunch of projects are due, relative to each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment in the review of the application that most resonated with me is one you fail to address.  Where is a calendar interface, and/or a way to sync items with due dates to iCal&#8217;s calendar rather than iCal&#8217;s tasks, so one can better visualize when a bunch of projects are due, relative to each other?</p>
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		<title>By: The Omni Group Gets &#8220;Sneaky&#8221; With OmniFocus Pre-releases &#124; The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64893</link>
		<dc:creator>The Omni Group Gets &#8220;Sneaky&#8221; With OmniFocus Pre-releases &#124; The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wheel. As a company, they also seem to care about the users of their products given that they went out of their way to cite a review on their blog which contained both praise and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gamov</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64892</link>
		<dc:creator>gamov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the focus on the sidebar or the main panel, i suggest a simple line frame around the active zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the focus on the sidebar or the main panel, i suggest a simple line frame around the active zone.</p>
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		<title>By: wvh</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64891</link>
		<dc:creator>wvh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Command-4 will move your focus into the sidebar. Then you can do the Command-Shift-A to deselect all, and hit Command-Option-F to get into the search field. If your normal view has grouping by folder turned on, that's one way you could see the hierarchy for the results.

Of course, another way is to open another window (possibly on an "All" perspective that already has no sidebar selection). Then you can do your search there and leave your current workflow intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Command-4 will move your focus into the sidebar. Then you can do the Command-Shift-A to deselect all, and hit Command-Option-F to get into the search field. If your normal view has grouping by folder turned on, that&#8217;s one way you could see the hierarchy for the results.</p>
<p>Of course, another way is to open another window (possibly on an &#8220;All&#8221; perspective that already has no sidebar selection). Then you can do your search there and leave your current workflow intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Geektronica</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64887</link>
		<dc:creator>Geektronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other random note: Matt says that when you complete all the tasks in a project, that project should automatically get marked as complete.

I disagree - usually, when I complete the last task in a project, it's because I've only defined a few next actions, not every action I'll need to take to complete the project. If the project disappeared from view when I checked off my last task, I'd be confused and frustrated.

I like the current system of how projects are marked as complete (manually, and irrespective of the tasks they contain).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other random note: Matt says that when you complete all the tasks in a project, that project should automatically get marked as complete.</p>
<p>I disagree - usually, when I complete the last task in a project, it&#8217;s because I&#8217;ve only defined a few next actions, not every action I&#8217;ll need to take to complete the project. If the project disappeared from view when I checked off my last task, I&#8217;d be confused and frustrated.</p>
<p>I like the current system of how projects are marked as complete (manually, and irrespective of the tasks they contain).</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64886</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This response to Matt's review frustrated me.  It never gets out of the details, and so I can't find any response to what I took as his big-picture message:  It's hard to quickly and intuitively see what tasks you need to do after you've entered them!

As someone who bought OF, tried to work with it a lot, and now is using it as a glorified someday/maybe bin (just throwing stuff in the inbox), I agree completely with him.  That's why I don't use it.  I didn't get much benefit out of sculpting my data into projects.  It didn't help me see and think about (and forget about) what I need to do.  I *do* think pixels are important too!  But how about some responses to the comments about general workflow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This response to Matt&#8217;s review frustrated me.  It never gets out of the details, and so I can&#8217;t find any response to what I took as his big-picture message:  It&#8217;s hard to quickly and intuitively see what tasks you need to do after you&#8217;ve entered them!</p>
<p>As someone who bought OF, tried to work with it a lot, and now is using it as a glorified someday/maybe bin (just throwing stuff in the inbox), I agree completely with him.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t use it.  I didn&#8217;t get much benefit out of sculpting my data into projects.  It didn&#8217;t help me see and think about (and forget about) what I need to do.  I *do* think pixels are important too!  But how about some responses to the comments about general workflow.</p>
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		<title>By: David A</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64885</link>
		<dc:creator>David A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two suggestions:

A big problem I have with OmniFocus is that there is no focus ring on the sidebar. A focus ring would make it much easier to see that the sidebar has focus, and therefore keyboard commands would affect the sidebar.

The Deselect All keyboard shortcut would be useful if there was a keyboard command to switch focus to the sidebar. If the content pane has focus, I don't see any use for it.

Consider this search scenario:
I'm about to enter something, but I want to do a quick search to see if I've already entered it elsewhere.

I currently have a project selected in the sidebar, and a text selection in the content pane, so the content pane (rather than the sidebar) has focus. Also, there are enough projects in open folders in the sidebar that there is no 'empty' space to click on in the sidebar, and the Library is scrolled out of view.

To do the search and then get back to where I was:
1. Change sidebar selection so that the entire document is searched: Scroll up the sidebar so that Library is visible, and click on it. This is what I have been doing, but now that I know about Deselect All: Click on any item in the sidebar and choose Deselect All. The later is better because searching will include the Inbox.

2. Click in the search field, and type my search text.

3. I'll see all projects, actions, and groups that match. Note that I can't see which folders they are in.

4. To get back to where I was: scroll the sidebar back down and click on the project I was in before the search. Click in the content pane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two suggestions:</p>
<p>A big problem I have with OmniFocus is that there is no focus ring on the sidebar. A focus ring would make it much easier to see that the sidebar has focus, and therefore keyboard commands would affect the sidebar.</p>
<p>The Deselect All keyboard shortcut would be useful if there was a keyboard command to switch focus to the sidebar. If the content pane has focus, I don&#8217;t see any use for it.</p>
<p>Consider this search scenario:<br />
I&#8217;m about to enter something, but I want to do a quick search to see if I&#8217;ve already entered it elsewhere.</p>
<p>I currently have a project selected in the sidebar, and a text selection in the content pane, so the content pane (rather than the sidebar) has focus. Also, there are enough projects in open folders in the sidebar that there is no &#8216;empty&#8217; space to click on in the sidebar, and the Library is scrolled out of view.</p>
<p>To do the search and then get back to where I was:<br />
1. Change sidebar selection so that the entire document is searched: Scroll up the sidebar so that Library is visible, and click on it. This is what I have been doing, but now that I know about Deselect All: Click on any item in the sidebar and choose Deselect All. The later is better because searching will include the Inbox.</p>
<p>2. Click in the search field, and type my search text.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;ll see all projects, actions, and groups that match. Note that I can&#8217;t see which folders they are in.</p>
<p>4. To get back to where I was: scroll the sidebar back down and click on the project I was in before the search. Click in the content pane.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64882</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit post when I shouldn't have, but ultimately, you're probably right. I don't know why your correction policy didn't get followed, but it's really none of my business.

I am taking a break from the internet, starting right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit post when I shouldn&#8217;t have, but ultimately, you&#8217;re probably right. I don&#8217;t know why your correction policy didn&#8217;t get followed, but it&#8217;s really none of my business.</p>
<p>I am taking a break from the internet, starting right now.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64881</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, you just spent a whole lot of words to say "when we make mistakes in our reviews, we either don't correct them". Mistakes were made, they were pointed out to the author (the proof is on Omni's forums) and none of the things you describe were done.

That's all I need to know. When reading in the future, I'll take it all with a giant grain of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, you just spent a whole lot of words to say &#8220;when we make mistakes in our reviews, we either don&#8217;t correct them&#8221;. Mistakes were made, they were pointed out to the author (the proof is on Omni&#8217;s forums) and none of the things you describe were done.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I need to know. When reading in the future, I&#8217;ll take it all with a giant grain of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://blog.omnigroup.com/2008/06/25/matt-neubergs-review-of-omnifocus/#comment-64880</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Harold who stated that the iTunes column resizing behavior would be the ideal choice for OmniFocus. All of the other comparisons (Finder, Mail, etc.) that have been put forward do not fit because they have different window styles than OmniFocus. The fact is that the current behavior is VERY STRANGE and disconcerting to anyone that has been using a Mac for any significant amount of time. 

I use OmniFocus every day because at its core it is a useful application, but I would love to see improvements that will make the app easier to use. It is the type of app that should do its job and then get out of my way. These quirks can slow me down when using it, which takes away a little bit from the time it saves me otherwise. 

1) Please make it easier to check an item as done.
2) It makes no sense whatsoever that if I have projects grouped under folders and when I am entering a project in context mode it displays in this manner

Foldername : Projectname

that when I enter a new project as

Foldername : NewProjectname

and then press Command-Enter to create a new project that project is not created in the folder Foldername but instead is created as a new project named

Foldername:NewProjectname

and NOT placed in the Foldername folder. 

This is the type of interface inconsistency that allows OmniFocus to slow me down. I don't mind you doing a few custom things but at least make your custom things work consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Harold who stated that the iTunes column resizing behavior would be the ideal choice for OmniFocus. All of the other comparisons (Finder, Mail, etc.) that have been put forward do not fit because they have different window styles than OmniFocus. The fact is that the current behavior is VERY STRANGE and disconcerting to anyone that has been using a Mac for any significant amount of time. </p>
<p>I use OmniFocus every day because at its core it is a useful application, but I would love to see improvements that will make the app easier to use. It is the type of app that should do its job and then get out of my way. These quirks can slow me down when using it, which takes away a little bit from the time it saves me otherwise. </p>
<p>1) Please make it easier to check an item as done.<br />
2) It makes no sense whatsoever that if I have projects grouped under folders and when I am entering a project in context mode it displays in this manner</p>
<p>Foldername : Projectname</p>
<p>that when I enter a new project as</p>
<p>Foldername : NewProjectname</p>
<p>and then press Command-Enter to create a new project that project is not created in the folder Foldername but instead is created as a new project named</p>
<p>Foldername:NewProjectname</p>
<p>and NOT placed in the Foldername folder. </p>
<p>This is the type of interface inconsistency that allows OmniFocus to slow me down. I don&#8217;t mind you doing a few custom things but at least make your custom things work consistently.</p>
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